Anon 6:39You have hit on something here that needs a little expansion."the wishy washy people in this riding who claim that Ida is so nice, she works hard and should be left alone."
That statement is being used by virtually every MLA that is up for recall. It's the party spin right out of the PAB in Campbells office.
(The same morons that visit this and other blogs that regularly dis the government in this province)
And therein lies two problems. These MLA's either can't or aren't allowed to think for themselves.So for a party that is run by big business who would these MLA's be backing.You guessed it. Big business.
Now say a business has 20 employees. Those 20 employees voted for someone else other that the sitting party. They expect to be heard because they are voters just as are the people who voted for that MLA. But the money lies in the donations to that party from big business. So 20 people who voted for something don't mean diddley squat in BC. One vote from the business owner means everything. Why? Because he has the money.
So the MLA can't think for themselves and big money, not the voter is driving them.
Now. Here in BC we have a mechanism for getting rid of any MLA for any reason should the electorate so choose. That mechanism is called RECALL.
But something else comes into play. Big money could lose their voting power if recall is successful. So they pull out all the stops and start a slander machine that is fully geared to discrediting organizers and telling you how good your MLA is. How much they are doing for you. They aren't doing $&!% for you. They are running scared and (with the full backing of the Mainstream Media) are slanting interviews and having photo ops the like of which we don't even see in a full election. They have their pictures taken with projects that they weren't even involved in.
Historically people have believed in what they read in the papers. I contend that the majority have never heard the saying that "you can't believe half of what you read in the news."
Just look at what happened in the BC Rail Trial. The only time you read anything was in a blog or an online paper. If the buzz got loud enough it was sparsely reported in the MSM Even then they twisted the facts and called bloggers names like "conspiracy theorists" "nut jobs" "wacos". And Why? Because the reporters who were supposed to be reporting facts to you were manipulating their columns so that what you read inferred that something else was being done.
It was only when the government shut down the trial that the papers would report on the case and even then they twisted the facts.
I have perceived something else that has come into play. And that is that NO MAJOR PARTY wants recall to work. And my friends that is for very obvious reasons.
Things have gotten so bad in this province that some very good bloggers have been attacked. Bill Tielemans'
office was rampaged during the discovery protion of the BC Rail Trial.
BC Mary, GrantG, and Kootcoot have been threatened. And most recently Laila Yuile, who uncovered the shadow tax, was physically attacked. And I'm fairly sure that others in the blogosphere that hold the governments feet to the fire have been the subject of , if not attacks, then at least investigation. Even I have not escaped the dirty tricks.
So, it's time to wake up the masses. Tell you friends where they can get the real news and discuss it with others. Unlike the MSM, who, if they don't cut you off. will cut off the whole comment section.
12/22/2010
Elections BC Acting CEO Has Now Sat Longer Than Any Other Acting CEO
| It's interesting to note the span between Appointments of Elections BC CEO's and under whose watch. Craig James has now used the office (temporarily) longer than any other temporary Chief Electoral Officer. Many people, including myself question this appointment. And now we are questioning it's length. If things had been done properly the previous Assistant CEO would have been (with her 28 years experience) appointed the new CEO. | ||
|---|---|---|
| November 7, 2002 - June 5, 2010 | Harry Neufeld |  |
| May 2, 1990 - June 6, 2002 | Robert A. Patterson |  |
| April 15, 1980 - May 2, 1990 | Harry Morris Goldberg |  |
| June 1, 1968 - October 1, 1979 | Kenneth Loudon Morton |  |
| April 1, 1947 - June 1, 1968 | Frederick Harold Hurley |  |
12/19/2010
Ida Chong Oak Bay Recall Good News and Other Things:
Following is a update from Colin Nielsen For the Oak Bay Gordon Head Riding
Hi Volunteers
On Friday, a gentleman came into the Lillian Street office and offered us a signing location in the heart of south Oak Bay - corner of Central Avenue and St. Patrick Street. This is central to hundreds of Oak Bay residents, making it very convenient for them to sign the Petition. That corner hosts a popular restaurant, a beauty salon, Casey's Market, etc, hence attracts lots of people via car and on foot. People will still be able to sign at Lillian, however our main signing point will become this new site - the address is 697 St. Patrick Street. It is a nice storefront and sandwich board signs are allowed on the street and there is good parking. We will be moving to this site on Monday December 27th (2 days after Christmas) - volunteers currently working at Lillian Road will continue working at Lillian Rd until Thursday December 23rd. We feel we will get many more signatures at this new site due to its convenient location.
To clarify
Schedule for Lillian Road:
Monday December 20th - open 10.00 am to 8.00 pm
Tuesday December 21st - open 10.00 am to 8.00 pm
Wednesday December 22nd - open 10 am to 8.00 pm
Thursday December 23rd - open 10 am to 8.00 pm
Friday December 24th - closed
Saturday December 25th closed
Sunday December 26th - open 10 am to 8.00 pm
END OF SCHEDULE FOR LILLIAN
Schedule for 697 St. Patrick Street:
Monday December 27th - 10 am to 8.00 pm
Tuesday December 28th - 10 am to 8.00 pm
Wednesday December 29th - 10 am to 8.00 pm
Thursday December 30th - 10 am to 8.00 pm
Friday December 31st - 10 am to 6.00 pm
Saturday January 1st - closed
Sunday January 2nd - 10 am to 8.00 pm
Monday January 3rd through February 4th open daily from 10.00 am to 8.00 pm
Our continued Good Wishes to the folks at Oak Bay Gordon Head.
Update: Dec.21,2011 Latest Numbers from Oak Bay Gordon Head 4151
That's up from 2014 and the proponent says they are on target.
12/14/2010
12/13/2010
Ida Chong and the Liberal Party Spin
You can tell when party spin takes over in a situation like recall. All the MLA's spout the same Rhetoric. Not only Ida Chong is spinning it but so is Donna Barnett. The words they use are almost identical. One only need to read this article in Politics Respun
http://politicsrespun.org/2010/12/clueless-ida-chong-spins-and-begs-for-her-political-life/
I find that the Liberal spin that they rolled this money grab out wrong is just pure spin.Now they want us to believe that they want to talk to us. Actually have a conversation. Why now when they wouldn't even allow full debate in the Legislature? It sounds to me like the school bully when someone finally smacks his face and all of a sudden he wants to talk. Their smugness has disappeared and they find their political asses in a sling and NOW they want to talk. They don't even realize that we ARE talking. Our message is Drop the HST or face RECALL. You see we don't just have the HST we have them lying to the people. People who trusted them and sent them to Victoria to work FOR us. Not to go and give away the farm to their large political donors.
The people now have a vehicle to remove those who lied and we are using that vehicle.
http://politicsrespun.org/2010/12/clueless-ida-chong-spins-and-begs-for-her-political-life/
I find that the Liberal spin that they rolled this money grab out wrong is just pure spin.Now they want us to believe that they want to talk to us. Actually have a conversation. Why now when they wouldn't even allow full debate in the Legislature? It sounds to me like the school bully when someone finally smacks his face and all of a sudden he wants to talk. Their smugness has disappeared and they find their political asses in a sling and NOW they want to talk. They don't even realize that we ARE talking. Our message is Drop the HST or face RECALL. You see we don't just have the HST we have them lying to the people. People who trusted them and sent them to Victoria to work FOR us. Not to go and give away the farm to their large political donors.
The people now have a vehicle to remove those who lied and we are using that vehicle.
12/09/2010
Government and Business Friends Dirty Tricks
The government that is supposed to be looking after the people who elected them has allowed Phil Hochstein to run rampant using busness money to smear not only the Campaign but individual canvassers.
I will be doing all I can on this site, time permitting, to counter this activity. I am in complete support of this boycott and will be contacting the only two businesses in my area to see if they support these actions.
FIGHT HST LAUNCHES BOYCOTT OF INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS AND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MEMBERS
Vander Zalm: Business lobby group is targeting canvassers and voters in smear campaign in a bid to try to stop Recall and save the HST
VICTORIA (December 9, 2010) – Fight HST Leader Bill Vander Zalm is calling for a province wide boycott of the businesses and members of the Independent Contractors and Business Association of BC (ICBA) for their attack campaign directed at the canvassers working to Recall Oak Bay-Gordon Head MLA Ida Chong.
Vander Zalm says the ICBA, led by their president Phil Hochstein, are trying to smear canvassers in the riding and intimidate voters from signing the Recall petition with deliberately misleading comments in an advertising campaign funded by their members from across BC. He says a series of ads, together with a web site called “stoprecall.ca” encourages voters not to sign the petition because doing so “means giving your name, your signature, and your phone number to people you don’t know”.
“That is a ludicrous statement given that Elections BC requires this information and given that canvassers are required by law not to use the voters’ information for any other purpose but Recall,” said Vander Zalm. “It’s just pure intimidation.”
Vander Zalm says the ICBA goes further by smearing the citizens conducting the Recall, describing them as an “army”, “disgraced”, “fringe”, “defeated”, and “opportunists”, and then saying “Do these sound like the types of people you want to hand your personal information over to?”
“It is unbelievable that the members of the ICBA would see fit to attack the citizens of BC by funding a massive advertising campaign to stop Recall and to try to save the HST,” said Vander Zalm. “Especially when many of their contractors, roofers, new home builders, renovators and trades people who sell directly to the public have been hurt by the HST and our efforts are actually helping them.”
“You’d think they would be cheering us on, but instead they are spending mega dollars to attack the democratic process with misleading ads and deliberate smears designed to scare people.”
Vander Zalm says his group has published a list of the members of the ICBA on the Fight HST web site and will be sending it out to the Fight HST supporters list of over 7,000 members with instructions to create a viral campaign across BC using the internet. He is encouraging all British Columbians to cancel any jobs or contracts they have lined up with ICBA businesses and to seek alternative companies to work with.
“Companies like Able Roofing Contractors; Gabe’s Painting and Decorating; and Howell Electric in Kamloops, Canpro Construction; Four Flower Enterprises; PBS Contracting and Soare Contracting in Victoria, as well as hundreds of others around the province are supporting this attack campaign,” said Vander Zalm.
“We don’t have the big money of these groups, so we can only counter their efforts by suggesting a boycott. Hopefully, the ICBA members will come to their senses and let Mr. Hochstein know they don’t agree with the use of their membership dues for such a purpose.”
Vander Zalm says the ICBA has donated over $325,000 to the BC Liberals since 1996. “We challenge Mr. Hochstein to tell British Columbians just how much of his members’ money he is planning to spend to defeat the Recall.”
Vander Zalm notes that Hochstein has gone on record saying there are no limits on his groups’ spending against Recall.
“They’ve found another loop hole in the Recall legislation and are using it to act as a conduit for the BC Government to attack the Recalls. The big business lobby went to bat for the BC Liberals during the petition by trying to strike it down in court and lost. Now they’re trying again with a mega bucks ad campaign designed to subvert the ‘equal spending’ rules for proponents and opponents.”
Vander Zalm is calling on all of the BC Liberal leadership candidates to say where they stand on what he describes as an “abuse of the Recall process.”
“It is totally unfair and undemocratic. The ICBA must be held to account by the people, and refusing to do business with ICBA member companies is the most effective way to do that,” concluded Vander Zalm.
http://www.fighthst.com/media/
I will be doing all I can on this site, time permitting, to counter this activity. I am in complete support of this boycott and will be contacting the only two businesses in my area to see if they support these actions.
FIGHT HST LAUNCHES BOYCOTT OF INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS AND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MEMBERS
Vander Zalm: Business lobby group is targeting canvassers and voters in smear campaign in a bid to try to stop Recall and save the HST
VICTORIA (December 9, 2010) – Fight HST Leader Bill Vander Zalm is calling for a province wide boycott of the businesses and members of the Independent Contractors and Business Association of BC (ICBA) for their attack campaign directed at the canvassers working to Recall Oak Bay-Gordon Head MLA Ida Chong.
Vander Zalm says the ICBA, led by their president Phil Hochstein, are trying to smear canvassers in the riding and intimidate voters from signing the Recall petition with deliberately misleading comments in an advertising campaign funded by their members from across BC. He says a series of ads, together with a web site called “stoprecall.ca” encourages voters not to sign the petition because doing so “means giving your name, your signature, and your phone number to people you don’t know”.
“That is a ludicrous statement given that Elections BC requires this information and given that canvassers are required by law not to use the voters’ information for any other purpose but Recall,” said Vander Zalm. “It’s just pure intimidation.”
Vander Zalm says the ICBA goes further by smearing the citizens conducting the Recall, describing them as an “army”, “disgraced”, “fringe”, “defeated”, and “opportunists”, and then saying “Do these sound like the types of people you want to hand your personal information over to?”
“It is unbelievable that the members of the ICBA would see fit to attack the citizens of BC by funding a massive advertising campaign to stop Recall and to try to save the HST,” said Vander Zalm. “Especially when many of their contractors, roofers, new home builders, renovators and trades people who sell directly to the public have been hurt by the HST and our efforts are actually helping them.”
“You’d think they would be cheering us on, but instead they are spending mega dollars to attack the democratic process with misleading ads and deliberate smears designed to scare people.”
Vander Zalm says his group has published a list of the members of the ICBA on the Fight HST web site and will be sending it out to the Fight HST supporters list of over 7,000 members with instructions to create a viral campaign across BC using the internet. He is encouraging all British Columbians to cancel any jobs or contracts they have lined up with ICBA businesses and to seek alternative companies to work with.
“Companies like Able Roofing Contractors; Gabe’s Painting and Decorating; and Howell Electric in Kamloops, Canpro Construction; Four Flower Enterprises; PBS Contracting and Soare Contracting in Victoria, as well as hundreds of others around the province are supporting this attack campaign,” said Vander Zalm.
“We don’t have the big money of these groups, so we can only counter their efforts by suggesting a boycott. Hopefully, the ICBA members will come to their senses and let Mr. Hochstein know they don’t agree with the use of their membership dues for such a purpose.”
Vander Zalm says the ICBA has donated over $325,000 to the BC Liberals since 1996. “We challenge Mr. Hochstein to tell British Columbians just how much of his members’ money he is planning to spend to defeat the Recall.”
Vander Zalm notes that Hochstein has gone on record saying there are no limits on his groups’ spending against Recall.
“They’ve found another loop hole in the Recall legislation and are using it to act as a conduit for the BC Government to attack the Recalls. The big business lobby went to bat for the BC Liberals during the petition by trying to strike it down in court and lost. Now they’re trying again with a mega bucks ad campaign designed to subvert the ‘equal spending’ rules for proponents and opponents.”
Vander Zalm is calling on all of the BC Liberal leadership candidates to say where they stand on what he describes as an “abuse of the Recall process.”
“It is totally unfair and undemocratic. The ICBA must be held to account by the people, and refusing to do business with ICBA member companies is the most effective way to do that,” concluded Vander Zalm.
http://www.fighthst.com/media/
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